According to the offical website of the 14th Dalai (Nobel-Peace-Prize winner) Lama at http://www.dalailama.com/page.121.htm, his 5 point peace plan clearly state:
“For the Tibetans to survive as a people, it is imperative that the
population transfer is stopped and Chinese settlers return to China.”
Basically, the Dalai Lama wants Enthic Cleansing of all the Han and Muslim Chinese from the Tibetan Autonmous Region of China if he returns to power.
We all know the USA and the European Union are against Ethnic Cleansing since they bombed the Serbians into submission for the charge of Ethnic Cleansing of the Albanians by the Serbians. The end-result is now obvious that it is the Serbians that are cleansed from Kosovo by the Albanians.
So the natural conclusion would be that the USA and European Union are not really against Ethnic Cleansing. They are just pretending to be against it when it is to their convenience while they are really for it whenever it is to their benefits.
The New Voice 
I fail to see how you extrapolated “ethnic cleansing” from that statement. Knowing anything about the Dalai Lama at all might lead you to read that with a little more accuracy. He simply thinks that China needs to leave Tibet. Do you know anything about the situation in Tibet? The rest of your statements are either based on faulty reasoning and a poor understanding of that statement, or on other preconceived ideas, and probably a mix of the two… Try again…
Well, I think there are two issues here: First, Dalai Lama wants autonmous status of “the Great Tibet”. The Great Tibet includes the current TAR and two other areas (namely Kham and Amdo), and the whole area will be about 25% of the total land of China. However, before China’s takeover in 1959, Dalai Lama actually did not ever control the areas outside of the TAR. In Kham and Amdo, Tibetans were minority while Muslim and Han were majority. So based on Dalai Lama’s requests, it means that the majority ethnics have to give up their land and leave. Is it fair? Doesn’t it mean ethnic cleansing?
To rooftopguitar,
Ethnic cleansing, in broad sense, could refer to elimination or expulsion of a specific population/ethnic group from a given territory by any means including military and economical means. Usually ethnic cleansing or the expulsion per se is a systematic event, often involving gross human-rights abuses. I think at least you can understand why there would be abuses of human rights, right? Taking it this way, you can easily see that Dalai Lama is asking for a thorough separation between other Chinese ethnic groups from Chines Tibetan ethnics. He claims that “it is imperative” for those Chinese to return to China regardless of the fact that those Chinese people have already been living there for generations. Is it justifiable? Isn’t it violation against human rights?
Think about it.
To rooftopguitar
Well, the Dalai Lama simply wants Chinese to leave Tibet. You said that is not Ethnic Cleansing.
Then what is Ethnic Cleansing? I must ask you.
Those Han and Muslim Chinese had lived in TAR for hundreds of years and suddenly the “peace-loving” Dalai Lama came back and say that you, you, and you must leave because you are not or your parents are not Tibetan.
Just how will the “Nobel prize winner” enforce the removal of the non-Tibetan Chinese from TAR?
Will they send an army of thugs to burn down their houses to convince them to leave or threaten their lives with knifes and guns?
The more I know Dalai Lama, the more evil I see this man. The TAR has been part of China for over 6 hundred years while inter-racial marriage between different ethnic groups had been so long that very few Tibetans are really “pure”.
So would the Dalai “non-violent” Lama send an army of doctors to perform DNA exams to test who has more Tibetan Genes?
All you argument centered on this notion that non-Tibetan Chinese can simply pack up and leave.
Now they had lived there for longer than you and your ancestors had lived in North American or Australia.
So may I politely ask you to leave?
“For the Tibetans to survive as a people, it is imperative that the
population transfer is stopped and Chinese settlers return to China.”
-reclamation of occupied territories
“-reclamation of occupied territories”
Well said. white people, please leave occupied territories first – I mean America.
“Well said. white people, please leave occupied territories first – I mean America.”
it’s like Jewish people leaving Hebron
It makes a catchy posting with that ‘ethnic cleansing’, but there is really no basis for that.
Chinese are infact involved in ethnic cleansing of the Tibetans. In Lhasa where the recent protest happened, before 1959, there was not a single Han Chinese living there. It was a completely Tibetan city. But now, things have improved so much that Tibetans have become minority in their own land.
This should have been infact looked upon as an ethnic cleansing.
Anyway, most Chinese seems proud of this because they often justify that by saying the white americans have done the same. I guess thats how colonizers react.
To truthbetold:
Your argument is based on false evidence.
First, you asserted that “Tibetans have become minority in their own land”. Let me quote something from wikipedia.org: “Lhasa … has … a total population of 500,000; 250,000 of its people live in the urban area. Lhasa is home to the Tibetan, Han, and Hui peoples, as well as many other ethnic groups, but the Tibetan ethnic group makes up 87% of the total population.” So do you think 87% means “minority”?
And if you take a look at “Tibet” on wikipedia.org, you can clearly find out how the Exile group made up fake evidence to attack the Chinese government.
I do not bother collecting the result from serious academic studies to refute your argument and that of the Exile group. There are too many to cite. In my opinion, the propaganda of the Exile group is no better than Nazi German. Contrast to that, the “propaganda” from the Chinese government look far from “propaganda” and actually are much close to the truth.
truthbetold, ur statements are as far from actual truth than anything else i’ve ever heard….Tibetans minority in Lhasa or Tibet???? Have u lost ur mind? Percentage of ethnic tibetan population in Tibet is over 90%…come on be serious, don’t buy everything USA-Uk-“Tibet” in Exile propaganda machine spit out., try to read some serious research instead
“Lhasa … has … a total population of 500,000; 250,000 of its people live in the urban area. Lhasa is home to the Tibetan, Han, and Hui peoples, as well as many other ethnic groups, but the Tibetan ethnic group makes up 87% of the total population.” So do you think 87% means “minority””
There are large numbers of illegal migrants from other parts of China in TAR. They are unaccounted for in the census.
To Anonymous:
“There are large numbers of illegal migrants from other parts of China in TAR. They are unaccounted for in the census.”
Hmm, “illegal migrants”. With regard to what kind of laws are these migrants violating? Or, perhaps you do not know the meaning of “illegal”?
Plus, are these “illegal migrants” being there temporarily or permanently? I do not believe non-Tibetan ethnic groups can live comfortably in TAR thanks to the harsh conditions there.
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