Comments on: The Myth of Tibet Genocide

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By: terminatorii

terminatorii — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:57:15 +0000

@jeanna:

It seems you are OK with lying in order to support a political agenda. Do you know how many Iraqis died and suffered for Bush Administration’s WMD lie? Do you know how many innocent people died and suffered for Hitler’s lie during WWII? Do you know how many Tibet serfs died and suffered for Da-Lie Lama’s lie of Shangri-La? I guess you do not care as far as you think it’s helps your political standpoint. Be careful, you are standing on the side of brutal dictator who had a proven record of enslaving millions of serfs.

COME ON! We all know how Da-Lie Lama and his exile group define the word “PEACEFUL” – listen the interview by your self (http://www.rfi.fr/actucn/articles/100/article_6734.asp). In summary, “We Tibetan love peace! We can beat you, We can torture you, We can burn you to death – hey, we love peace and we do not take your life away – it’s the fire taking you to the heaven.” Are you OK with such a definition of “PEACE”?

By: jeanna

jeanna — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:49:56 +0000

@terminator
No matter what the number is of the death toll, what China is doing is wrong. If people are lying about the number its because they probably want something done about it. It is not China’s place to deforest the land, kill off already endangered species and run people out of their homes (monks who practice PEACEFUL lives! COME ON!) it is horrible and it just sounds like your OK with it.

By: terminator

terminator — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:09:34 +0000

Ziggabüt:

PRC has been dishonest for years. But this does not automatically put Dalai Lama and his followers on the good side. In this politic game, there is simply no innocent one. And from what I’ve read from western academic studies, the opposite side of PRC is far far worse and less dishonest. Just read my original post and do some research about those data. Anyone with a little objectivity will conclude who is constantly lying.

As always, please do some research on academic literature, and put all propaganda from both sides behind. Use serious academic studies to back you up, instead of using simple labeling.

And be sensitive of your words in your discussions. For example, you obvious draw a equal line between PRC and ordinary Chinese people in your last sentence. This is never an effective way to back up your argument. It is just like “OK, I know Da-lie Lama/NYT/CNN/BBC are lying. Can any numbers coming from the western/exile group be truested?” This kind of argument is pathetic and useless.

By: Ziggabüt

Ziggabüt — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:53:39 +0000

Terminator, I would like to remind you of the record of dishonesty the PRC has employed for years. Although i am personally not sure of the statistic of the Tibetans who have died due to Chinese intervention, I doubt many, if any people are. The PRC has a history of a strong method of murder followed by the suppression of facts. let us not forget the Tienanmen Square Massacre, and the PRC’s denouncement of its occurrence. Can any numbers coming from a Chinese-occupied territory be trusted?

By: Alessandro

Alessandro — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:45:15 +0000

Also Amnesty International relies on sources to draw its conclusions…and though I highly respect their work, I also came to doubt their singlemindedness and rigidity on many issues (I directly know some people working for it, and sometimes have argued with them regarding their sometime and somewhat extremixt approach to the question)…anyway, all comes down to “what sources they rely on”…if it the same sources newspaper also rely on (i.e. “government-in-exile” or “tibetan in exile” connected sources), then I don’t consider that completely reliable and trustworthy. Amnesty International is not the “Bible” (though i’m not a believer), they too can be deceived or make mistakes. As for TIME and New York Times..well do u consider them as reliable, professional and trustworthy media?? I personally don’t, as I don’t trust CNN, Fox and many others. US government (and many others western governments, mine – Italian – included) have many vested – economical and political..none of which really connected with a true interest for human rights or whatsoever – interests in exerting pressure over Chinese goverment and trying to split the country or cause internal problems…thus the constant press and political campaign to demonize it. Tibetan monks are far from being peace-loving, spirituale only people..they’re representatives of political interests, other then following the footsteps of the ancient tibetan aristocracy. It’s strange that the same people that opposes theocracy in muslim countries, and also at home, defends in Tibet an ousted theocracy and tries to reinstate it in power..very very strange..don’t u think?

By: terminator

terminator — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:13:41 +0000

To JC:

Yeah, I’d love to stop fighting for the death figures – if the Exile group stops lying on it. Before that day comes true, I will not stop.

Regarding to the Tibet monks, I think the first thing the Chinese government should do is to remove the monks from the government payroll. A modern country should separate the church and the state. The Chinese government is stupid to be one of the few governments that financially sponsor the Tibet monks. I bet this will solve a lot of problems. When the monks struggles for everyday’s meal, they will pay less attention to independence and democracy.

By: JC

JC — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:14:52 +0000

despite the discrepancies of the figures, the reality is that China’s crackdown on Tibet monks is a reality. It has been criticized by reputable organizations like Amnesty International. TIME magazine and New York Times have reported on these events, so lets stop trying to fight over the death figures and lets start claiming change and democracy for the Tibet monks.

By: Alessandro

Alessandro — Sun, 25 May 2008 02:21:52 +0000

Ming is Manchu?????????? AHAHAHAHAHAH
So, if I understood that correctly…basically Manchus overthrown themselves when estabilishing Qing dinasty on the ashes of Ming state? AHAHA

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 24 May 2008 15:53:57 +0000

it is sad whenever you see truth in the fringe of media.

By: lol

lol — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:14:25 +0000

Wilson just owned himself. How stupid one could be.

By: suqing17

suqing17 — Sat, 10 May 2008 10:43:29 +0000

bihbijb1, where did you learn this idea? Get the right Chinese history basics before you speak. To say Ming is Manchu is like to say the south won the civil war–everybody knows you are ridiculously wrong.

By: bihbijb1

bihbijb1 — Sat, 10 May 2008 01:59:10 +0000

suqing17

Ming Dynasty is Manchu.

By: suqing17

suqing17 — Sat, 10 May 2008 00:03:05 +0000

bihbijb1， don’t you know there is a Ming Dynasty between Manchu and Mongolian Empire?

By: will shetterly

will shetterly — Fri, 09 May 2008 21:42:42 +0000

While quibbling over the exact numbers, it should be noted that the deaths in ‘59 came about from a CIA-funded rebellion to preserve slavery in Tibet. Monks and monasteries were involved in the fighting because monks fought; the monasteries had many serfs, and the monks wanted to preserve their ancient power.

If anyone has evidence of very many people killed in ‘50, I’d love to have a link to the evidence. My understanding is that Tibet offered very little resistance, and in return, China let Tibet keep a great deal of autonomy.